All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Ceramics : German : Porcelain : Pre 1940 item #1367861 (stock #G582)
This silver overlay vase was produced in Germany by Friedrich Spar & Company around 1930. Except for a number 21 in red it is not signed but we are certain of its origin. The vase measures 7 inches in diameter. The art deco design is Asian inspired with pink flowers and branches spreading around the porcelain. The ground color is medium blue which contrasts so beautifully with the pink blossoms. The silver work is elaborate. Condition: Excellent
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Metals : Silver : Plate : Pre 1940 item #1406003
A classic silverplated single-serving cocktail shaker by Napier in 1934 specifically to be sold at Saks Fifth Avenue. The shakers were made in two variations, one with a dial on the top indicating the type of cocktail within and this version, with the profile of a rooster on the lid. The shaker has a built-in strainer and pouring spout. When removed, the lid becomes a footed cocktail glass. The bottom of the shaker is stamped "Napier Pat. Pend."
  • Origin: America, ca...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Japanese : Okimono : Pre 1980 item #1471523
Vintage Japanese wooden okimono carved in a shape of a doll of Zen Patriarch Daruma enveloped in his monastic robe. Good size and unusually fat sculpture carved out of chosen matsu (Korean pine wood), its face done in ittobori (one cut) style characteristic of Hida school with clever use of wood colors and structure to add to the charm of the piece. Excellent sense of volume, pupils are inlaid with metal, beautiful patina. Signed on the back with 2 characters that can be read as KOKUEI...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Glass : Italian : Murano : Pre 1970 item #569639 (stock #20050060)
Scrambled glass paperweight, millefiori, broken canes, chunks and blurred murrines cased in a light raspberry or amethyst glass (hard to tell but definitely not colorless glass) Measures 2 1/2 inches (6.3 cm) wide by 2 1/4 inches (5.7 cm) tall. Has KB Import label and Blue on silver foil AF MURANO Cockerel label. Condition is excellent with no bruises, cracks or chips. Circa 1950 - 1960.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Paintings : Pre 1970 item #1318008
Zentner Collection
$2,200.00
Chinese painting of grapes attributed to Luo Yin, a pupil of Pu Ru, 1896-1963. This was painted in the spring of 1970 according to the inscription. Luo Yin wrote several books about his master Pu Ru, known for his calligraphy and painting. This piece measures framed: 31.5" wide by 60.5" tall image:25" by 45". It has 4 seals.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Porcelain : Pre 1930 item #1348223 (stock #167)
Asia of Old
$595.00
A Chinese porcelain teabowl and saucer painted in famille verte enamels with radiating cartouche panels of foliage. The cup decorated on the inside with sprigs of flowers, as well as the underside of the saucer. Both have seal marks in under-glaze blue to the base. Made for the export market.

Kangxi Period (Circa 1662 to 1722)

There is the possibility of a very small chip on the saucer which had an invisible repair done to it, or else it may be a firing flaw...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Ceramics : Chinese Export : Pre 1960 item #1449735 (stock #308)
Keep Fine Arts
$1,200.00
Pair of Huang Hua Li Vases
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Porcelain : Pre 1930 item #1342403 (stock #105)
Asia of Old
$1,950.00
A Chinese blanc de chine seated figure of the god of literature Wen Ch'ang, the divinity shown with semi domed hat and with holes in the mouth and chin for horse hair moustache and beard...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Hardstones : Pre 1930 item #1432450
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$695.00
Large Hongshan Round disk Face Pendant in Orange Nephrite. The piece looks very contemporary but the details reveal its age . Nice wear with extensive tremolite growth. biconically drilled suspension holes and signs of wear. Size just under 2" by 2" weight 48G Collected in Hk 1980-1995
Strait's Antiques
$17.50
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This is a pretty crystal clear Waterford Waffle 3 1/2 inches high Scalloped Footed Sherbet made by Hocking glass from 1938 to 1944. This Sherbet with the top and foot scalloped is hard to find. It is in very good condition with no chips, cracks or scratches. Be sure to search our other Waterford available. We guarantee all items to be as described. THANK YOU.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Japanese : Stoneware : Pre 1960 item #1423237 (stock #1488)
A fabulous Bizen Tane-Tsubo Seed Jar in the Momoyama style by Living National Treasure Kaneshige Toyo enclosed in a wooden box annotated by Kaneshige Kosuke. Beautiful Hi-iro flame coloring brightens the sides and a smattering of yellow flying ash clings to the shoulder about a line of waves. The tsubo is marked on the base with the fundo weight mark of Toyo. It is 23.5 cm (9 inches) tall, 20.5 cm (8 inches) diameter and in excellent condition...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Glass : Italian : Murano : Pre 1960 item #1077580 (stock #4149)
svazzo.com
$600.00
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Amazing and Large Murano Crystal Clear RAM HEAD Art Glass Sculpture!!! Attributed to Archimede SEGUSO, circa 1950s!!! The piece is made with great detail, from the large Horns to the beautiful delicate ars and face features. A MUST for the Seguso Collector! It has NO damage (chips, nicks, or impact marks)...

All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Japanese : Textiles : Pre 1950 item #1426066 (stock #13280)
Boro furoshiki with many mending patches with various cloth and interesting mending stitches. The ground cloth is thin cotton cloth in gray. The first half of the 20th century. 126cm x 126cm
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Central Asian : Textiles : Pre 1980 item #1131615 (stock #L017)
Galerie Ariana
$300.00
This Uzbek suzani from northern Afghanistan dates to the mid 20th century or later and measures 76 x 99 cm including the fringes. The textile is hand-embroidered in silk thread in vivid colors on a green rayon ground with copper encrustations throughout, and edged on two sides with crocheted silk fringe. Couching stitch ("basma") is the embroidery technique. The textile is reversible and either face may be used as the front...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Glass : American : Depression Glass : Pre 1960 item #1220501 (stock #HeisPlnt75)
Two J's
$12.00
Heisey Plantation 7.5" luncheon plate with grape vine ivy etching. Produced from the 1930's til the company closed in 1955. Very slight usage scratches. Four are available.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Enamel : Pre 1940 item #1429017 (stock #gy6108)
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1940's Chinese Solid Silver Enamel Plaque Brooch with Bird

It is 2.2 inches (5.6 cm) wide by 3.9 inches (10 cm) in length. It is 69.7 gram.

It is tarnished and has missing enamels and surface wears and scratches (as seen in the photos).


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All Items : Vintage Arts : Instruments and Implements : Medical : Apothecary : Pre 1940 item #1402379 (stock #J825B)
Offered is a very visually-appealing, veterinary, antiseptic medicine remedy complete with original, bright red box...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Wood : Pre 1930 item #1356977 (stock #198)
Asia of Old
$445.00
Pair of Chinese carved wooden (Rosewood) Buddhist lions (Foo Dogs). The male and female each represented in pose; the female with the cub and the male with the ball. Each has a loose ball in their mouth. The base of each with a removable wooden prayer slot.

Age: Late 19th century

Size: 7" high by 2-1/5" depth by 3-1/4" wide

Condition: Generally in overall good condition. One of the bases has a chip (refer to pictures)
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Glass : Scandinavian : Pre 1960 item #1366183 (stock #3837)

Provence rounded bowl in blue

Designer - Per Lutken for Holmegaard, Denmark

c. 1950's

4 1/2" tall x 12 1/4" across

Scandinavian modernist form

Marked on underside

Excellent vintage condition with age appropriate shelf wear to under bottom

All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Glass : American : Depression Glass : Pre 1950 item #152002 (stock #EG281)
The Crinkle pattern was produced by Morgantown glass company in the late 1930's. This is the 6 1/2 inch high juice or martini pitcher in amethyst. The style is called 'Tijuana' and it holds 34 oz. Perfect condition, see my other listings for matching tumblers to complete the set - and for more Crinkle items in different colors.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Metals : Silver : Sterling : Pre 1960 item #1204372 (stock #7199)
Bedell & Co.
$4,100.00
Three piece tea set made of sterling silver and rosewood. Made by William Spratling in Mexico c.1950. The teapot measures approximately 6" tall. The rosewood handle measures 3.75" long. At its widest, at the base it is approximately 3" in diameter. The teapot weighs about 1 lb. The two-handled teacup measures 2.25" in diameter and 2.5" deep. Each handle is 1" long by 1.5" tall. The cup weighs 118.6 grams. The creamer measures 2.5" in diameter, 3" including the spout...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Glass : American : Depression Glass : Pre 1930 item #168748 (stock #EG246)
Line 700 was produced by Consolidated Glass Company in 1929. Offered here is the #714 footed sundae dish (or sherbet) in blue crystal. (The color is the glass itself, not a fired on finish.) Dinnerware items are very hard to find in this pattern and especially in this color. Here's your opportunity to add a rare item to your collection. I have 4 available, price is per sundae.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Metals : Silver : Sterling : Pre 1940 item #1434852
A classic figural sterling silver thimble jigger by Thomae & Co. The rim is engraved “Only A Thimble Full.” The interior retains its pale gilding. Several companies made variations of this jigger, but those by Thomae are among the best because of their superior weight and workmanship.
  • Origin: America, ca 1935
  • Condition: excellent, no dings or monograms
  • Dimensions: 2” tall
  • Weight: 42.4 grams
J S Antiques
$5.00
Jeannette Glass Company made Cherry Blossom from 1930-39. There are no chips or cracks in the glass. Thanks for looking.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Metals : Silver : Sterling : Pre 1970 item #1164856 (stock #02197)
A 2-1/4" tall vintage sterling silver baby christening mug. This cup has traces of the original interior gilding and it is stamped STERLING 226 with a lion maker's mark...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Japanese : Woodblock Prints : Pre 1960 item #1442443 (stock #Kawano030)
Kaoru Kawano
Camellia (G) (Tsubaki)
Date: 1950
Size: Double oban. 23.75 x 18 inches.
Edition: 46/200.
Self-carved by Kawano.
Sealed by the artist at lower right.
Signed, titled, and numbered at lower margin.
Medium: Japanese woodblock print.
Condition: The thick paper has some thinner areas on the back from removal from backing. Slight toning line in margin.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Porcelain : Pre 1940 item #1448646 (stock #gy6367)
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Old (1940's) Chinese Famille Rose Scholar Ink Box with Mountain Scene Marked

It is 1.6 inches (4 cm) tall by 3.7 inches (9.5 cm) wide. It is 0.3 Lb.

It has dark spots, skip glazes and surface wears and scratches (as seen in the photos).


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All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Hardstones : Pre 1930 item #1291742
Well crafted Chinese carved lapis alligator on wood stand, early to mid 20th century period, measurements are 6 1/2"L x 2 1/2"H x 3"D, no condition issues.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Indian Subcontinent : Himalayas : Pre 1980 item #1402522 (stock #4A1)
Nepalese Ghee Butter Tea or Chaang wooden Bottle with brass mount with Top connected with Brass chain, 8" high, the condition is new.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Instruments and Implements : Time Pieces : Pocket Watches : Pre 1900 item #1417727 (stock #9908)
A Victorian gold filled rope twist watch chain with a 10k opals slide circa 1890. This 27" chain has two 1/16" strands with a swivel and it includes a crescent shaped 10k yellow gold (unmarked but tested) working 5/16" long slide with four vivid blue/green and orange opals. This pocket watch accessory would make a great necklace and it is in very good condition with no chips, cracks, dents, bends, corrosion, damage or repairs other than a couple of missing or broken wires (see images) and some...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Enamel : Pre 1960 item #1348209 (stock #165)
Asia of Old
$595.00
Pair of vintage oriental pheasants in gilded sterling 925 silver, and polychrome cloisonne enamels. Each pheasant is mounted on a wood base, marked and numbered.

Approximately sizes are 9.5x14 cm and 11x13 cm

  Mid 20th Century - Peoples Republic of China

In very good condition
All Items : Vintage Arts : Furnishings : Accessories : Boxes : Pre 1940 item #1443171 (stock #4A97F)
Japanese Kiri Wood Scroll Storage Box, 24 1/2 long, 3 1/2 high, 3" wide, in old used condition.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Japanese : Textiles : Pre 1980 item #1006047
Decorative Japanese summer kake fukusa with a pair of carps(koi). Circa 1960-1980. Dimensions: 30" x 25 1/2" (76.5cm x 64.5cm) The condition is clean all and all with some small stains in the lower right corner and some faint storage stain (shown in the photos).
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Japanese : Lacquer : Pre 1970 item #1038243
From our Japanese Collection, a good set of three large ceremonial lacquer sake shallow bowls in graduated sizes, Showa Period, very handsomely executed with raised gold and black designs of figures set against a red lacquer ground. It is quite possible this set is older than we give it credit for, perhaps dating from late Meiji through to the Taisho Period (1912-1926) as several very similar sets for sale on Trocadero are dated, but with these ceremonial lacquer pieces that are totally unused ...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Pre 1960 item #1458486 (stock #308)
Keep Fine Arts
$1,200.00
Pair of Huang Hua Li Vases, Approx 12"
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Pottery : Pre 1930 item #1451089
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$895.00
Antique Chinese Liao style Amber Glazed Urns with white clay body. Nice pair of matching urns with faux ribbon molding going down each side and an incised flower pattern on the center of each the foot has exposed white clay body. There is a chip to one rim and one foot . Possibly period Liao . Size 10.5" by 7"
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Pre 1940 item #871253 (stock #HP/GH268)
Himalaya Primitive
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A "long stick design" Ghurra, great signs of use, nice encrusted brown patina, more information on ethnic and local origin, Height 25 cm
Strait's Antiques
$16.95
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This pretty Forest Green, crystal foot, Burple 14 Ounce Ice Tea Tumbler was made by Anchor Hocking into the 1960s. This Tumbler measures 6 3/4 inch high and is in very good condition with no chips or cracks. Be sure to search our other Fire King available. We guarantee items to be as described. THANK YOU.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Metals : Silver : Plate : Pre 1940 item #1301385 (stock #gab5)
Gideon Antiques
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Two-for-one, This vintage English Sheffield pewter cigar holder with a hidden flask, features one side which holds a cigar and the other is a flask. The holder measures about 8" x 2 3/4". Very good vintage condition
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Porcelain : Pre 1900 item #457127
This is an Unusual CHINESE DRAGON VASE with 2 Dragons entwined. Size is 20" tall. Sold As Is As Found ca. 1950
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Metals : Silver : Sterling : Pre 1980 item #1240416 (stock #JHssFrameOrn)
June Hastings
$475.00
Ornate English sterling silver picture frame by Keyford Frames. Featuring a heart-shaped opening with with cherubs at each corner, the frame is hallmarked KFD. Backed in very dark purplish blue velvet, it stands 7.5" high at the highest point x 5.5" wide. The heart-shaped opening will hold a 4" wide x 5.5" high photo. A little wear to the velvet at the bottom, otherwise in excellent condition.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Japanese : Woodblock Prints : Pre 1930 item #1387270
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$225.00
Edo Period Utagawa Kuniyoshi wood block print c 1859, nice print handling wear especially at the lower corner as seen in pictures. Approximately 5.75 by 9" we have around 18 pieces from the same volume .
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Pre 1900 item #1301218
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$55.00
Antique Orissa village lost wax cast ball shaped oil lamp, mid 19th c , good condition Size H 3.5" by 3.5"
Strait's Antiques
$59.95
PAIR
This is a really pretty pair of depression glass ultramarine Swirl Double Candle Holders made by Jeannette Glass from 1937 to 1938. The candle holders each measure 6 inches wide X 5 1/2 inches high. They are both in very good condition with no chips or cracks. Be sure to search our other Swirl depression glass items available. We guarantee items to be as described. THANK YOU.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Glass : American : Cut Glass : Pre 1950 item #388979 (stock #1205-2)
This is an intaglio cut crystal white wine goblet, signed HAWKES, in the Gravic Fruit pattern, with luscious hand cut and frosted plums, apples, and pears suspended from beautifully incised branches; with knopped stem and square incised foot. Condition: very good, slight rim chip. Measurement: 6 _ in. h.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Scholar Art : Pre 1940 item #1382562
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$265.00
Chinese Republic ? Wine or Water pot , in the form of a gourd with cast figures and waves . Nicely cast with a mark on the bottom . Size 5" by 4" by 3.5"
J S Antiques
$23.75
Hazel Atlas Glass Company made this tumbler. There are no chips or cracks in the glass. Thanks for looking.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Japanese : Folk Art : Pre 1980 item #1364342 (stock #3A126D)
Japanese Wood Serving Tray, black lacquered with red trim on top and open handles on both sides, 23" x 15" wide, 2" high, shows beautiful wooden grains with metal braces on every corner for strength. The condition is new.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Furnishings : Pre 1950 item #1458639
Zentner Collection
Sale Pending
A vintage Japanese Kamo Kimono Biraki Tansu in 2 sections made entirely of Kiri (Paulownia) wood. All original hardware and natural finish. Upper section has 2 sliding doors behind which lies a split level shelf and 2 small drawers with a pair of hinged doors that hides 4 full width Kimono trays. The bottom section has 3 side by side drawers and 3 full width drawers below.

Age: Showa Era

Dimensions: 48 1/2" Wide by 67 3/8" High by 19 1/8" Deep
All Items : Vintage Arts : Instruments and Implements : Tools : Pre 1960 item #1394688 (stock #A-UTL8)
Ancient East
$135.00
DESCRIPTION: A tribute to vintage industrial design, this attractive pulley, with a heavily cast iron shaft and swivel eye, is attached with snatch pins to a smooth, grooved wooden wheel. The pulley is a simple machine that, when used with a rope, will reduce the amount of force needed to lift a load. These make wonderful decorative accents within a country, farmhouse or industrial decor. In excellent working condition, no rust. DIMENSIONS: 12” long x 6” wide.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Indian Subcontinent : India : Pre 1940 item #1242355
Zentner Collection
$1,200.00
Beautiful bronze offering chalice from India with one large peacock surrounded by four smaller peacocks, bowing their heads in worship to the central bird. The chalice has a hinge on its front and back, which could secured shut with a pin or rope. The bronze has some red patina on the feathers of each bird and has bronze patina. The peacock is the national bird of India and is also considered a vehicle to the Hindu lord Murugan. Provenance James Coburn Estate, Age 18th/19th century Size: 8.25...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Glass : American : Depression Glass : Pre 1980 item #736084 (stock #WmPGv925)
Two J's
$35.00
Westmoreland's Panel Grape 9" Vase Milk Glass was produced from the 1950's to the 1970's. In excellent condition.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Stoneware : Pre 1940 item #1175262 (stock #G0607)
A very nice early 20th C. Chinese soapstone carving a boy rides on a water buffalo with a baby buffalo on a wooden stand, in excellent condition, Very detail and elaborate carvings. L:18cm $185
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Japanese : Folk Art : Pre 1950 item #1478461 (stock #05441)
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$380.00


PHALLUS WITH FACE

Wood carving. Showa period, 20th century, Japan. H 39 x 9 x 7cm (15.35 x 3.54 x 2.75in). Rare type hardly seen.


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All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : Asian : Chinese : Hardstones : Pre 1930 item #1455346
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$895.00
Hongshan Double headed C Dragon Pendant figure , beautiful carving and with a loop you can see wonderful deposits and mineral growth . Well worn from use and burial decay. Collected HK 1980s-1990s size 3.25" by 1.5"
All Items : Vintage Arts : Furnishings : Pre 1970 item #1467825
Offering an incredible pair of original Sergio Rodrigues armchairs, known as the "Mouse" chairs. Book-matched Brazilian rosewood, with gorgeous dramatic patterns. Very much in the tradition of the American industrialist design, predecessor of mid century. Influence in the Eames chair. It is a chair that invites sprawling — perfect for the social milieu of the bossa nova and caipirinha cocktails; where a languorous afternoon spent chatting and joking is the apex of enjoyment. Overall excell...
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Glass : Italian : Murano : Pre 1960 item #1430709 (stock #5977)
svazzo.com
$875.00
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Price per item (2 available as shown). Large vintage Murano hand blown black, grey and gold flecks Italian art glass centerpiece bowl. Attributed to designer Alfredo Barbini. Profusely covered in gold leaf throughout the top and bottom of the piece. Unusual color combination. Can be used as a display piece on any table. Mid Century Era. Measures 10” long x 8 1/4” wide x 3” high. Last photo shows both bowls available.

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Strait's Antiques
$74.95
CREAMER and SUGAR
This is a really pretty depression glass pink Tearoom, aka Tea Room, 3 3/4 inch high footed Creamer and Sugar Bowl set made by Indiana Glass from 1926 to 1931. Both the creamer and sugar bowl have the 8-sided foot. They are both in very good condition with no chips or cracks. Be sure to search our other depression era glassware. We guarantee items to be as described. THANK YOU.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Regional Art : African : Artifacts : Pre 1970 item #1321091 (stock #1-0927)
Important mask of the "kiwoyo muyombo" type, of elongated shape, with a protruding forehead and fine features, surmounted by a highly stylized cylindrical coiffe, and a long "beard" decorated in relief with bicolored lozenges and framed by weaved bamboo slices. Fine glossy patina. Africa, Gabon, Pende Peoples. Height: 45 cm. The mask is nicely mounted on a custom metal stand. Small losses, otherwise very good condition.
All Items : Vintage Arts : Decorative Art : Glass : Pre 1940 item #1370161 (stock #DG531)
Old Colony is the correct name for the pattern that collectors have always called 'Lace Edge'. It was produced by Hocking from 1935 to 1938. Offered here is the 9 1/2 inch round vegetable bowl in pink. Excellent condition with no chips or damage. See my other listings for more in this pattern